6 replies to this topic

[ricoche]

Hi there,

I have a couple of sites currently struggling to climb the charts of an electrical distributors report called NAED.

You will notice that some of the top companies have over 1000 links in Teoma. However, the catch is that they achieved this in one month!! These numbers did not exist previously.

So, without direct submission, we don't understand how a company can achieve such fast results with Teoma. One of the companies at the top has over 5,000 which they achieved only recently.

Without any clear cut way of getting access to Teoma, we're doomed to never having a chance to reach the top of this report which is our current dilemma.

Any ideas on how to achieve better results with Teoma? Should we be concerned about this or do you think they're numbers are spiking and will settle later on?

Thanks very much for any input. We're going crazy trying to figure out how one can get so many links with Teoma on such short notice.

- Jim

Edited by Jill, 09 November 2005 - 10:26 PM.

[Jill]

Welcome ricoche!

Why are you looking at Teoma? Does it bring traffic to you? Not many people actually use it to search as far as I can tell.

<added>Looking at your question again, are you thinking that Teoma is a directory? It's just a search engine that powers Ask Jeeves. You can't submit to it, it crawls the web like all search engines. No big deal.

[Michael Martinez]

My guess is they built some crawl pages. But I cannot find any reference on the NAED site to a program requiring members to get links on Teoma. Have they published any information about this on the Web, or is it a private, members-only initiative?

[ricoche]

My guess is they built some crawl pages.  But I cannot find any reference on the NAED site to a program requiring members to get links on Teoma.  Have they published any information about this on the Web, or is it a private, members-only initiative?

Thanks for the reply Michael. I have never really been that concerned with Teoma, but I do work for a company with executives that do place a high importance on this report and all of the search engines they list. A lot of important companies and people in the electrical industry look at this report as it creates a lot of business for us and everyone on the list.

Regarding Jill's statement ( and after reading her insincere message in a previous post ), I find that with 17,000 plus posts you of all people should understand that it's not just about whether a search engine is popular or not. In the electrical industry, many people look at reports such as this for many reasons. Many people will actually look at a site and think wow!, they have 5,000 plus links with Teoma. That site must be pretty good or have a good following. If you think I am ill equipped to handle some SEO work, there are also many electrical people without knowledge of anything in the SEO field as well. I'm around a lot of people like this. Something dumb and ridiculous to you, might very well be important to someone else.

Perhaps you are the admin of this forum and I'm some unkown individual idiot writing a post, but neither of us are a high level CEO of a major fortune 500 corporation in the United States. I guess they know something we don't. Perhaps the bigger picture?

I'm sorry I didn't read your [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules]Forum Rules[/url] before posting a link. I probably should have known better. I'll take my questions to another forum where the admins are a bit more sincere.

Thanks again Michael for your help.

[SearchRank]

Boy, lighten up, ricoche. I don't think Jill was insincere at all. It is true that not many people use Teoma to search. More may use Ask Jeeves which is powered by Teoma, a search engine they acquired a few years ago.

Back to your inquiry - I have found that Ask/Teoma indexes what they want to, when they want to. They are not looking to be the biggest index and therefore do not care if they crawl everything on the web like Google and Yahoo do. Therefore their index is smaller and updated much less frequently and because they do not have any submission form or pay for inclusion programs, there is really nothing you can do regarding getting your site's content crawled and indexed but make sure you have inbound links to your site (or NAED report) from other sites such as directories, industry related sites etc., and then just hope Ask crawls and includes your site.

[Jill]

you of all people should understand that it's not just about whether a search engine is popular or not. In the electrical industry, many people look at reports such as this for many reasons. Many people will actually look at a site and think wow!, they have 5,000 plus links with Teoma. That site must be pretty good or have a good following.

So why not educate them as to what's important and what's not instead of spending your time chasing stuff that you know isn't important?

Half of the work we do is educating clients or bosses or whomever. If you have the knowledge, explain it to them so that you can get on with the real work of bringing their site more targeted traffic. They will appreciate that a lot more than getting listed in Teoma. Really, they will.

I'll take my questions to another forum where the admins are a bit more sincere.

You will find that all reputable forums will tell you the same thing. If not, then they're not doing their jobs properly. To not explain to you that you're looking at (or your bosses are looking at) the wrong measurements, would be a complete disservice to you. You may not want to hear it, but I'd rather tell you the truth than spare your feelings.

Your bosses are looking at the wrong measurements. Teach them the right ones. Do you have access to their log files? Do you see where they're getting traffic and how much of it?

[Michael Martinez]

ricoche I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think Jill was being insincere in the least. Most people come here looking for very specific kinds of help and but for the fact that I've dealt with light industry as a business applications programmer, I would have overlooked the significance in your request.

If I understand you correctly, the industry report is examining search visibility by company, counting backlinks by search service. While many people in the SEO field would not regard that as a reliable measure of market reach (it resembles Looksmart's old smoke-and-mirrors "90% reach" claim), it does at least serve as a benchmark.

As you have found, the benchmark can be manipulated.

Contact me privately and I'll see if I can help you. I'm not offering my services, but I'll take a look at what you're seeing and give you a more detailed analysis of what may be going on. I suspect search engine spam techniques are being applied.