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[acorus]

How Hedir is different from other directories

In your own words of course, not taken from the other page. I'm still confused as it sounds to me the same as millions of directories that spring up each day.

Aji has explained much of the idea. Why shouldn't I use my own words? You think someone published my words and I can copy and past them from somewhere? It would be very interesting because I personally type not too fast :-). No Jill, I do not copy any published and copyrighted materials since I can write by my own.

How about you tell us here how it's different so we don't have to click through?

It was not just click through. Let me say read through. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to talk about the ODP inner forums content. And this is a problem. If there is anything I would add after Aji's clear presentation. Hedir's feedback makes difference, both community and Site Admins. Friendly but honest.

Why should we call it "Hedir challenge DMOZ"? Who wants to compete with?
IMO to implement any change in such a big system like ODP, both psychological and technological needs so much time. I understand, that any change is thousands times more risky than in case of any smaller (content and human investment) place.

It is also not clear how editors get to their positions. I asked some mods few times about accepted sites with hidden content. Usually with no answer. I know few editors myself which joined only to add their content in category which was not too suitable for.

Editors are volunteers with different IT knowledge, they often accept sites that never should see the daylight, without even bad intention. Without looking at the source, sometimes deeper investigation, it is very hard to make the right decision. With PRS I've found it different. I have read on Hedir some very interesting threads, with open criticism after such investigations. I have not found any better method to clear the atmosphere around the seo problem.

I'm sorry I've found it today, I have written on Hedir that I know Your atticles Jill. So, I had to register erlier, Iluminare account I will not use again. Sorry.

Edited by acorus, 09 November 2005 - 09:46 AM.

[cbp]

I am only being cynical becasue how many times had we heard in the past about new directories to challenge DMOZ --- none of them have succeeded in coming remotely close. I just wish I had the patience and time to search all the old threads from different forums to bump them to illustrate the point.

[Raphael]

As we know, Raph, if a system can be abused, it most definitely will.  Our unfortunate human nature. 

Opening the voting system to the public is just bad news all round. Look at IMDB's movie ratings as a great example of how a fanbase can sway a score beyond all proportion. You get enough people to vote-bomb a movie and it's ratings drop through the floor, never to recover.. Or vice versa, of course.

[ewc21]

You get enough people to vote-bomb a movie and it's ratings drop through the floor, never to recover.. Or vice versa, of course.

Agree, with that good example of what popular voting can do. Basically reiterating what I said earlier in the thread. I am not against Hedir though. I just want to emphasize that it's not the exact solution with the problem that exists in DMOZ.

[Aji]

The process is not very clear to me, I will again send a mail to Norah for a complete explanation of the process.

I remember such an instance where one moderator did not accept the listing as it was manipulated. They have a IP check and also it is powered by visitlab.com (which allows you to check fraud clicks and visitor stats).

I just want to emphasize that it's not the exact solution with the problem that exists in DMOZ.

Let's state some real big problems with DMOZ and see if directories like Hedir(may be few Hedir's combined) can cover even one or two.

[Jill]

It's easy for a new directory to escape the problems that plague old directories. Heck, DMOZ (GnuHoo) was started for the very same reason! Yahoo didn't have paid inclusion at the time, and it was extremely hard and time consuming to get listed in it. Just like DMOZ is now.

But, eventually it appears to be inevitable that when a directory gets as popular as DMOZ and they have no paid inclusion so that they can pay editors, it gets to the point it's at now.

Same thing will happen to any new directory. Might be nice for awhile, but once you gain critical mass it's all downhill from there.

[Nicolette]

Not to throw a wrench in this discussion...but I submitted my blog (you know, those pesky step-children out there) to DMOZ and received an immediate rejection: We do not accept blogs. Fine, okay. It's free, I have no gripe with the dismissal. However, checked my web stats today and found DMOZ as a referring link. Sure enough when I checked it out I was listed under Society-Men's Issues.

So now I hope we're all confused. It's still all about traffic and conversion. The hype with IM makes high school popularity contests almost sane.

Nicolette

[cbp]

DMOZ and received an immediate rejection: We do not accept blogs.

Not true...DMOZ lists blogs. If you are talking about the site in your signature, it has never been rejected, so not sure where you got that information from.

[ewc21]

Perhaps the listing of blogs in DMOZ is still not widespread that is why many submissions are rejected.

[cbp]

The same criteria that applies to any site gets applied to a blog - is there sufficient unique content to add value to a category? Sites with minimal or no content will not be listed. Newly created blogs with a couple of messages will also be deleted.

[Aji]

Happy New Year to every one. Hedir is back in news, this time for Virus and related stuffs. It got virus infected.

http://www.webprowor...pic.php?t=58553 ( plz deactivate link if against policies, thanks)

Wishing all success this year,
Aji