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Posted 24 September 2005 - 07:06 AM
Posted 24 September 2005 - 11:16 AM
If you count my computer as a human being. (There's that whole anthro-whatever-thingy again. Yes I took Philosophy in University. LOL.).
I have resigned myself to the fact that if you are an entrepreneur and you also have children (just one even like me), this about sums up the totality of one's social life:
-Shopping trips where the cashier or clerk is pleasant to chat with and thinks your kid is too adorable for words.
-Dropping your kid off at the dayhome where the caregiver is pleasant to chat with and thinks your kid is well behaved and independent.
-Yearly checkups where your physician and you can talk shop about the perils of raising ... kids.
-Talking to your parents on the phone, conversations where you spend most of your time justifying why you do everything differently than they did with you, but at the same time trying to validate their "success" as your parents.
-Chatting on forums like this.
-Chatting with prospective clients.
-Chatting with the guy who fixes your toilet because he is the only other human being you have seen since dropping your kid off at the dayhome that day.
-Chatting on forums like this.
-Chatting on forum-oh, already said that one.
Posted 24 September 2005 - 11:57 AM
If you are relatively new at this business, I recommend you get into CSS heavily and learn to use it. There's a book from O'Reilly titled "Cascading Style Sheets, The Definitive Guide". It covers CSS1 and CSS2. It's an extremely good book and you WILL LEARN CSS from this book.
You might as well get into design using CSS positioning and forget about tables if you want clean-coded, fast-downloading pages. I put using CSS positioning on the back burner for a long time because of compatibility issues with older browsers but now I'm switching over. There are few browsers in use now that can't handle CSS and those people who use them are just gonna have to upgrade.
Another excellent, top-notch book is "HTML Third Edition, The Complete Reference" from Osborne. It covers everything about HTML and more. It covers XHTML 1.0 also.
Get several browsers to use for testing. Use the big 3 for PCs: Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Opera. You may want to get more browsers but the three I listed are a good start. You should be able to run them all on one computer with no problems, I never had problems using multiple browsers. One thing you don't want to do is use two different versions of the same browser.
Linux and Mac are considerations for testing too
Edited by maleman, 24 September 2005 - 12:19 PM.
Posted 24 September 2005 - 12:36 PM
Posted 24 September 2005 - 12:47 PM
I have been longing to dig into CSS, even as a newbie web designer I can see the benefits of CSS vs tables (which drive me up the freakin' wall most of the time). I am one for elegance, simplicity and organization and CSS seems to lend itself to this entirely.
I am in the B2B markets too, so if that many people are still on IE in those markets then this is darn relevant information for me to have. (I use Firefox myself ... am completely addicted to tabbed browsing and like the added security).
I am going to check out those 2 books you recommended maleman!
Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:41 PM
Frankly, most browsers these days support most of the CSS standards. There are a few strange things that can happen, but they're more a rarity today than the were even a couple of years ago. Thankfully.
|I can certainly sympathize with the concept of entrepreneur's with child(ren) having no life. Wait til yours becomes a teenager...|
Posted 24 September 2005 - 03:36 PM
Well, don't take my figures as proof - Your ISP should be able to supply you with logs that contain those figures, and if not, they should be able to configure your server to log which browser your visitors are using.
It's a nasty stereotype, but it's been my experience that depending on what kinds of businesses you're selling to, most of your customers will be office workers with little or no technical/internet knowledge. They'll be using whatever PCs their company has provided them with and 9 times out of 10 that's a pre-made machine from Dell, Compaq or HP with Windows XP and IE6 pre-installed, pre-configured and ready to go. They don't care about changing browsers and wouldn't know how to go about it even if they knew alternatives existed.
Posted 25 September 2005 - 12:50 AM
Don't just check them out, buy them now! This is a direct order. Once you get those two books, you'll be locked, cocked, and ready to rock. These are two of the best two books available on these subjects, trust me.
Edited by maleman, 25 September 2005 - 10:06 AM.
Posted 25 September 2005 - 07:29 AM
I've used the thing so much over the years that I've got the downloadable version on my computer, hence why I couldn't remember the site address.
Posted 26 September 2005 - 03:44 AM
Many thanks the helpful comments here.
Whats the easiest way to check for errors please?
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:52 AM
The word "error" though, doesn't really have a precise definition when applied to HTML.
An "error" in program code will prevent the program from compiling, or executing (running).
Since HTML is not a programming language, but merely a markup language very similar (in essence) to the methods used by the newspaper and publishing industry, the word "error" is really a misnomer. HTML isn't program code that is executed, so an error doesn't "stop" it from running.
HTML is just a way of marking different sections of your text as different types of text. This part is a header, this part is a table, this part is a list, and so on and so forth. Incorrectly marked sections will simply be displayed incorrectly (or not function in the way they were intended - Links won't work as links, etc) - In exactly the same way that if the NY Times incorrectly marked up their front page and then printed it, the headers would come out in the wrong size and typeface, the pictures would be in the wrong place, etc etc.
Your eye should be the first test in judging for errors. Browsers are pretty smart these days at compensating for incorrectly marked up HTML.
I always used to say "Does it look the way I want it to in all the browsers that I care about?" and that was the only error checking I felt I needed. To this day, that can hold true, depending on how precise you want to be.
The problem is.. To complicated the matter further, there are 4 main different variants of HTML, and they are not all equal, so if yuo want to be really, absolutely and totally precise you need to tell the web browser which variant you're using and then you should run your page through the W3C's validation service, which will look at the type of HTML you're using, and then tell you whether there's anything in your HTML that shouldn't be there, or whether you've missed anything out.
(The discussion about the four types of HTML is a long one so I won't post it here, but feel free to PM me if you're feeling at all bored and want to know, or you're suffering from a particularly nasty bout of insomnia and want something to help you sleep)
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:55 AM
That all makes perfect sense.
I won't ask for more explanation on the 4 diff types of html - I have no problem sleeping ;-)
Are there any other online error checking services apart from w3c ?
Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:59 AM
They'll validate your stylesheets too.
Posted 26 September 2005 - 12:23 PM
So how do you tell the browser which variant you're using? I learned html back in 1998, then got away from it for a few years, and am now getting back into it and things are so different, so much more technical. I'm finding that there are so many little things I don't know. What's the best resource to help someone transition from basic html anything goes to all the stuff we're supposed to know nowadays?
Posted 26 September 2005 - 12:42 PM
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