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Posted 22 August 2005 - 08:41 PM
I noticed all the internal pages of this directory are out of Google's index: http://www.san24.com/
The main page is showing but that's it, anyone have an idea why? I've written the San24 owner but didn't hear back, wanted her/his take on it. This is the 4th directory I've found out of G's index lately. All established "normal" directories.
Was hoping to hear from some of the directory owners that post here and get their take.
Posted 22 August 2005 - 09:44 PM
All the pages have gone supplemental: site:www.san24.com the, and that is not good!
No idea why. I had an idea though: if everyone uses the same description at directories (I know I do), then directories with the same sites listed in cats will all look pretty identical. That might perhaps trip a duplicate filter, especially if everyone uses the same directory list... Just a thougth anyway!
Posted 22 August 2005 - 09:53 PM
I tried to look at this site. What I saw was some music player from 1998 (at best). Everything else was just - well - non existent. I had to X-out.
Posted 22 August 2005 - 10:42 PM
Why would having DMOZ content be a bad thing? I've added sites to this Directory in the past so I know they have other content coming in.
And why now after all this time, they've been around since 2003. At the bottom of their site they state they have over 2 million links in the Diretory. No ad-makes-no-sense here or any other kind of link buying that I can see.
Oh dah.. maybe that's it! They've been popped for NOT having any goooooogle ads!!
Posted 22 August 2005 - 11:12 PM
That is just not smart!
LOL. I wish I did know better!
So do you mean for every directory you submit a site to, you write a totally different description? Wow! I find that amazing. I can't imagine that most people do that, and I know I certainly don't. When I do change the description, I don't vary it much, because how many ways are there to describe a site in a paragraph? Usually, it is justa sligth reworking that uses the same main words.
With many directories requiring the business name as the title, there is even less variety and, as I said, perhaps this throws some sort of duplicate content filter.
That is the only thing I can think of for directories biting the big one, short of a hand removal..
Edited by projectphp, 23 August 2005 - 12:07 AM.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 01:12 AM
Is that when you are trying to contact them to see what happened to your listing?
Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:07 AM
Would be hilarious to set up a support email that was just that link!
Posted 23 August 2005 - 07:02 AM
Because it is not original content. Why would Google wish to have hundreds of copies of the same thing? It degrades the search results.
Yes, usually not by much, but different enough.
Of course, their our only about six or seven directories I submit to regularly. The others, unless they are niche, aren't worth the time they take. IMO.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 07:18 AM
So this puts us in a bit of a bind, if it's really the cause of the problem. When I see that a directory is an ODP clone, of course I don't submit to it, but if they seeded the directory with ODP data and then started adding new material on their own, I've never considered that a problem. How many pages am I going to have to compare to their equivalents on the ODP before I decide if a directory is likely to get slapped down for not being unique enough? I mean, it may well be that the page I'm submitting to is already very different from the ODP's, but if other pages are going to get the whole directory dropped, that won't really matter.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 09:17 AM
Bingo, same here, which is why San24 was still on my list. Interesting comments about descriptions being the same. I use a couple different ones, depends on the anchor text and what kind of presence/brand building campaign I'm focused on. But never wrote different ones for each Directory submitted to.
I can see where Google would go after clones with nothing more than ad-makes-no-sense but to penalize/drop sites that use ODP data in conjuncture with their own submission process? Why would they even use the DMOZ then as their Directory?
Yeah really! In my case, I would submit to a couple of directories and quickly become familiar with the cats I was working in. But even when I found dupe content I wasn't too worried about it, just figured those sites were popular enough to be added by the Editors or the site owners savvy enough to know to use the Directories in their marketing arsensal.
Will be interesting to watch what goes on with the rest of the Directories then if this is a tactic Google is going to take.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 12:38 PM
Despite being contacted by a few peoplein private, I still have not been able to evaluate enough sites to feel certain that these are the two primary criteria Google used for changing its search results, but this combination is the only set of characteristics common to ALL the vanished pages.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 07:39 PM
Pure speculation, but that is a possibility, no matter how remote, although probably still not as likely as a hand removal.
Posted 24 August 2005 - 01:28 AM
It is not a ODP dupe or anything and only contains real links to decent sites.
Any thoughts? MM your comments regarding breadcrumbs have me questioning, as this one uses breadcrumbs as well. I would happily remove those if i knew this would help me to get it indexed, as the breadcrumb is simply something built into the program by default.
Any thoughts on how to expedite indexing in GG, please let me know.
As a side note, the site was indexed in MSN in 7 days, and Yahoo in 4.
Posted 24 August 2005 - 01:50 AM
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