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Dollar Value Of A Home Page Link?


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#61 Peter

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 05:48 PM

Getting links for link popularity is like advertising in a news paper. That is why there are directories,.. collections of links to usefull web sites. A web master that submits to 200 directories (If he can find them) will get a good PR,.. Before Google that was done to attract visitors from as many locations as possible. Now with Google all the sudden there is an additional benifit to doing this--->>> Higher rankings,.. ;)

Nothing wrong with that I think. The advantage of directories is that all sites are manually checked and there for these links have greater value.

Automatic link building is by definition a bad thing because an automated link building system is just focussed on getting as many links as possible. This facts degrades the quality of the links.

A really good site will attract links on it's own; without having to beg or buy.

This is true, for links from web sites that are not a directory. In my oppinion a link exchange is not a form of begging, but simply a matter of 2 people with the same goal-->>> adding content for their visitors.

Overall it is a chicken-and-the-egg question--> What was there first? A link or a person that found your site and decided to link to you? :cheers:

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 05:51 PM

I do apologize if that sounded belittling- it wasn't my intent!


I really didn't think you did ;) I just know there are many people who are in a 'tedious' place as far as link building and seo are concerned. I hate for anyone who is really trying to do thing right, and even come here to get advice, to feel they are 'less than' because of their methods......as long as they AIN'T spammin' then they're okay :cheers: .

Yes, you are exactly right when you say there are many more ways to go about marketing. And for those who can or who can hire someone to do the job, it is much better than hunting up links.

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:14 PM

Overall it is a chicken-and-the-egg question--> What was there first? A link or a person that found your site and decided to link to you?  :cheers:

You absolutely must promote your site. That does involve effort. Maybe I didn't put my posts very well... just building a wonderful site and uploading it won't help you very much.

My point is that the general concept that the ONLY way to get links is through link exchanges is a short-term strategy.

I don't have a problem with reciprocal links or buying links- everything you do should be an effort to get your site found by your target audience.

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:25 PM

I'm actually in the market for a vacuum cleaner. I'm tired of fixing mine every time I need to use it. I go to the internet and type in "Vacuum cleaner reviews". Does your vacuum cleaner site rank well for this phrase?

Oh my! LOL I just now noticed that you asked this!! I am not doing any work for a vacuum cleaner company, just one of the most boring examples I could come up with......probably becaue I hate vacuuming almost as much as link building.

I will tell ya this though, if I ever run across a vacuum cleaner company that needs some marketing advice......I am sending them to YOU :cheers: .

Your ideas would work wonders for anyone.

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:31 PM

"I don't care who started it, I'm ending it. Both of you go to your rooms until you can play nice. (sigh) As if I don't have enough to do around here without you girls arguing all the time!"

Sound familiar, Scottie! <g>

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#66 Leann_Pass

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:38 PM

Oh Brian, You are funny :lol:

I am not going to my room BECAUSE not one person here is engaged in an argument. We are just discussing and giving different views and opinions!

There is a BIG difference :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:44 PM

Hey! This is a good debate! Different opinions are what forums are all about. :rolleyes: If you guys just want to know what Jill and I think, you can read our articles. No fun there.

Now, stop talking back Brian. :lol:

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:02 PM

Link building is not a bad task, but if you do it for the first time then it is a huge undertaking,... but do the same for more web sites and you find that each time it goes a bit faster and a bit easier,..

Peter, no matter how much link building I do, I hate it. Every single solitary time I am faced with this MONSTER I hate it more! Does it go faster? yes! Easier? well yes! But I absolutely HAAATE doing it! It is what keeps me from getting enough sleep to start with and then it's the nightmare that wakes me up. UGH!

We really are going to have to start hiring out this duty....before it KILLS me!!

I LOVE doing keyword research and competition research and analysis and content ... and coming up with new and better ideas for all of those, especially keywords and content.......just hate linking.

Mike is the development guru......can do anything and everything for and to to a site to make it ........ go ....... seo ....... work ....... freakin' jump through hoops...... if need be, but he doesn't like linking worse than me!!

So I get that job, for the most part, and I think that I am realizing just now, at this very moment.......that it is time to pass it on!!!!!! (I mean really, would you want me with all my icky despite for linking in charge of your link campaign? I would think not!!) Though I must add that I do I very good and thorough job, which is probably why I am sick of it.
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I want a perfect world full of all things for all desrving people NOT ever requiring ANY link building :rolleyes:

How silly. I know I know I know!!

Sorry about the rant!

Edited by scottiecl, 03 November 2003 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:33 PM

Hey Leann-

There were extra blank lines in your post- I just cleaned them up a little. :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 08:30 PM

But mustn't a site rank highly FIRST, before it can be found? Once it ranks highly it's much easier indeed, but getting there is the first step. Content is King in my book, always will be......but we all know that TOP rankings require links as well. Can't get unrequested or un-worked for links without top rankings.


Ahhh...but there is the flaw in your argument.

No, a site must not rank highly first, before it can be found. Nope, nope, nope!

In fact, a good portion of the clients that I deal with these days have hundreds if not thousands of links, but they're barely getting found in the search engines.

Having links is one way to get found, in and of itself. Ranking highly in the search engines for relevant keyword phraess is another way to get found. Promoting your site through offline media is yet another. Speaking at conferences...you guessed it -- another.

The bottom line is that SEO was never meant to be the only way a site gets found, visited, purchased from, or whatever.

SEO should be perhaps 1/10 of all the marketing "tricks" a company has up its sleeves for promoting their site. Do those other 9 things, and there's a good chance you'll never need to do link building...of the kind Leann does not like, at least. You WILL have an awesome site, people WILL find it, whether it's from the engines or somewhere else, and people WILL link to it. Whether it's vacuums, peanuts, search engine optimization services, or whatever.

But if you choose to not take your site seriously and attempt to get all your business through free SE listings, chances are you are skimping in other areas of your marketing and your site too. And in those cases, yep, who would want to link to you? Not me.

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 05:44 PM

The bottom line is that SEO was never meant to be the only way a site gets found, visited, purchased from, or whatever.



I absolutely agree! SEO is ONE area of marketing. That is the only area I was really talking about though. Just that a site needs links to get high rankings in search engines. I for one, wish they didn't have to have them (just me, ha! wishin') =)

I wish I could deal with more sites that had tons and tons of links (like you are talking about!) before they ask for SEO work, not generally the way happens for us.

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 06:58 PM

Leann,

If you´re looking to out source link building,.. email me,.. :lol:

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 10:13 PM

Peter, Check your email!

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 10:26 PM

no matter how much link building I do, I hate it. Every single solitary time I am faced with this MONSTER I hate it more


LOL - I feel that way about keyword research.

I wouldn't focus on trying to get a lot of links, just a handful of good links. And it's not hard if you start your campaign knowing what you want.

Link building should be one of the tactics used in an overall marketing strategy. Always start with what you already have; client and vendor lists, knowledge of the competition, niche directories. There is an opportunity to link or ask for a link in just about everything connected to the Web and your website.

I've been asked several times what it takes to be successful at link building. My answer is always the same - being able to think outside the box.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 08:21 PM

Link building is networking. I hate networking, and I pretty much feel the same way about link building!!!

Thing is though, you can't get anywhere in business without networking, and IMHO it is pretty much the same on the web with link builidng, Google or not. Building links is all about building business relationships, and maybe either sending some business to a related entity or, even better, getting some business in. A link is a business proposition, and should be assessed in the same way any business offer is. That includes requests to buy links. Does the money gained justify the PR (Public relations) that come from the association?

In many ways, a bought link is much better than, say, AdSense, in which case you have far less control over the advertisers on your site. If done just for rankings, link buying is money spent for which an ROI is hard, if not impossible, to measure. If you buy for traffic and get PageRank as a bonus, then you are onto a winner.

<edit>Oh, and Alan, in regards to my question about the moral problem with buying links, as usual, you answered my question precisely</edit>




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