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Posted 20 April 2005 - 04:47 PM
I too earn my living from their existence (among others).
Posted 20 April 2005 - 06:13 PM
Definitely...bad and getting worse over the last year or so.
"finally getting what they deserve" ..... Do they deserve what they get? HMMM. I have no idea what they deserve but they sure have a good handle on how to add unfathomable amounts of money to their fat G pocket . I often wish I had even the slightest hope of just access to a pocket that fat..of course, I'd just go spend the rest of my life at the beach if I did.
Is Google really ready to crash and burn or are frustrated SEOs just mad cuz their tricks don't work as well any more and they're sick of explaining it to their clients?
I think YES, SEO's, especially a certain set of SEO's are extremely ticked that their "tricks" aren't working like they once did. (Although, I am dissappointed to see that some tricks still work in some arenas..yuk) In that respect I say GO Gooooogle! I don't blame them for not wanting to be out-and-out spammed.
I am convinced that most searchers don't know or care about the difference in search engines. I think they simply go to the search entity (mostly Google) that they have become accustomed to and click on whichever site trips their "click trigger".
Mind you, I have heard from a SEVERAL people (mostly clientel or potential clients but none are seo savvy) that they don't like finding a whole page of directories and the like when they are trying to find a service or product.
An actual quote from one such searcher turned client: "Doesn't Google know that I don't do a search just so I can find a bunch of other sites to search, it is just a waste of my time!"
My response: "Yes, I know what you mean, lately they have been favoring directories and so-called authority sites. Depending on what you are looking for, it can create a really frustrating user experience for sure..So what search engine did you decide to use instead of Google?"
His response: "Oh, I USE GOOGLE! (he said this like I was a dipwad for asking) I just skip all that junk and keep going till I find a REAL business that offers what I want. Sometimes it means I have to go through 2 or 3 pages or MORE. What ARE they thinking?"
HAHAHA...Of course, I am thinking: WHAT **ARE YOU** THINKING??
The bottom line is that this person still uses the search engine that causes such frustration.
Why? Just Because you dipwad!
Not only that, but he is also very interested in having his own site rank well in that very search engine.
WHEN DO I THINK GOOGLE WILL CRASH AND BURN?
ABOUT THE SAME TIME HELL FREEZES OVER.
We can love um, we can hate um, we can just not give a rip.....but ya know, they aren't going Away. Period. That is fairly clear from my point of view.
I just try to focus on not being ticky as much as just dealing with keeping up with them because my clients find it very important, and so do I, regardless of personal search experiences. I think alot of us feel this way (frustrated and yet determined).
Just FYI- I think some that are posting here are mistaking the "sandbox" from the "aging delay" ..... big difference.
Posted 20 April 2005 - 07:28 PM
Let's put it in perspective. I just got off the phone with my cell provider, Bell Mobility, as I tried to (gleefully) cancel the service, having finally gotten to the end of the contract so I finally won't have to pay a penalty to cancel.
When the sales rep heard that I wanted to cancel, I was deliberately put on hold for ten minutes. I'm sure they have this calculated to the cent, the probability that doing this will increase their revenues by heading off x% of cancellations.
Of course, I will need to pay for another 30 days of service.
Then he wheedled and whined for the reasons I was changing services. And then demanded I tell him who I was moving to, so he could make me a better offer. (Now they want to give me a better price!) I said it doesn't matter because the other contract is already signed!!! And he said "aw, come on, be human about this."
I love it. A telco monopoly asking *me* to be human.
So, bring on Google Phone or Apple Connect, or *anything* that will put a dent in these old monopolies' arrogance.
Sure, the new power brokers can become arrogant in their own right, but consumers will consider them as Lovemarks for a long time to come, not because they are necessarily better people or less arrogant, but because they are on the cutting edge of cool new technologies and give us powerful new options that boil down to: they give us a way better "deal."
As long as Google continues to offer a better "deal," and a great experience, the consumer will continue to love them.
Go ahead and bash Google for being arrogant all you like, but when you put it in perspective... just try canceling your cable service or cellphone service... aren't we just a little too hard on them sometimes?
If I were a Google stockholder:
Posted 20 April 2005 - 07:38 PM
That would be the new, more precise, more powerful MSN search Jill.
I seriously like their little Search Builder thingee. It can be quite useful at times.
Posted 20 April 2005 - 10:01 PM
Well, along those lines, I have watched my husband (many times in fact) open his browser, which he has set his home page to Yahoo because he likes their news...wait for it to load up Yahoo, and then type what he's looking for in the Google toolbar!
Over and over I see him do that. I said, "hey, you're at Yahoo, you can search there you know!" And he just mumbled something about liking Yahoo news and it's his home page...
I'm sure there are many others out there just like him!
Posted 20 April 2005 - 10:11 PM
I really don't fault Google for anything it has done and I think that the movers and shakers in the company are getting "what they deserve" by getting filthy rich. They have enriched the Web in a huge way. Search would still be in the doldrums if Google hadn't stepped up and set the bar for the others. For the longest time, they were the only game in town, but that wasn't their choice, was it!? I do question some of the direction they have taken in their rankings but somebody has to try something new and see how the results turn out. It's not like anyone else was experimenting or even setting up benchmarks.
The more recent competition from MSN and Yahoo should only push Google to put its talents into continued improvements. Should be interesting now that they don't have to work in a vacuum.
For my own purposes, the best thing to come along is the slew of search plug-ins for Firefox. Now almost every search I run -- and I do a bunch every day -- goes through at least a couple of the SEs instead of hammering away on just one.
Just gettin' better & better...
Posted 20 April 2005 - 10:50 PM
In my apparent bashing of Google, I did not mean to imply that Google has not provided much "good" over the years, even greatness (you could say) to a degree. I also didn't know I was part of a 'fad' either... we are all free to our opinions - are there others like me? Are they stock owners? ...just curious. Overstated negativity? I wasn't thinking that either -
The way things progress and change (hopefully for the better) is not about complaining, but about making it better - for the user in this case - right?
Voicing what some believe to be truths or shortcomings in hopes of affecting those positive type changes - is a good thing.
Posted 20 April 2005 - 11:45 PM
Google is now an international player and a major threat to even cultures and countries.
On a serious note, show me another search engine that has a head of state this frantic?
I hope I'm not off topic, offensive and/or putting people to sleep with this post.
Posted 21 April 2005 - 12:02 AM
Well, I do have to admit that I didn't really understand your post.
And now I AM going to sleep...for what it's worth!
Posted 21 April 2005 - 05:07 AM
So I can assume people are angry with google when they do not get the result or listing they want with them for some reason or another. As Google is the leader it can somewhat dictate how things are done.
Posted 21 April 2005 - 06:08 AM
Hard but not impossible - there was a time when IBM was bigger than all the competition put together.
Google are competing with some very big players . They all have very clever people of their own and are all trying to come up with the next big thing. Google have the baton but the baton is there to be taken.
Posted 21 April 2005 - 06:32 AM
Yet I use Google as a first port of call every time.
It's about branding, not effectiveness... or the whinging of some SEOs.
Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:30 AM
Absolutely trash! I, and my clients, all do very well in Google (or frankly I would not be in business) - to make blanket statements about those that complained or want better from Google as "SEO's who are pissed that their tactics don't work" is absurd. I had to dispell this rumor right now!
I DO have stock in them - you would think I am jumping up and down with them... and I did, but that was for the stock performance - that does not make Google flawless, nor does it make me an expert... but I am an expert in my business... and I discuss Google to make points and hopefully as time goes on - to improve the user's experience, and to make the SERP's as relative to the search as they know how... outside of paying for your terms.... which is how they (Google) currently "prefers" you spend your money there. This is where their profits lie. Duh? So, where is their time spent? You have the answer.
I would just like to see a little different answer - like being the number one engine based purely on organic search results - I used to think this was Google... Why is it their pagerank can't suffer in reality when their results are suffering? - everyone else can be judged (literally) by them, but nobody with a little knowledge can say they can be better?
"Google Glorification" went out in 2003? Talk about fads...
Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:38 AM
Sounds like my 17 year old daughter.
She types EVERYTHING into the Google toolbar....even if she knows the exact address of the site she wants....she types the whole address in the toolbar and clicks on the site from Google.
I used to try to convince her that she could just type the address in the ADDRESS bar. She doesn't care, she does it her querky way.
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