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[projectphp]

Myth fact myth fact myth fact. Who knows? I agree with Mr Martinez, no one has yet written a convincing argument about what it all is.

And so what? What are you gonna do? If you bought a bricks and mortar store in a shoopping centre that was due to open January 1st, and it was delayed for 6 weeks, what can you do? That is what any aging delay is like.

IMHO, when the clock starts "ticking" depends upon how Google decides to do all this. I am not convinced that it is age in the sense that it is three months from Google finding a site, but more likely that Google, a set times, removes the filter for all sites older than X. Google may change this at set moments, like the old Google dance or monthly PageRank updates, or it may be more frequently, like once a week.

IMHO, the idea you suggest, using RSS feeds may well work If the theory behind the sandbox that this solution solves is sound, i.e. that a domain just needs time, then it will work in the short term. Being one of the first to take it for a spin, you may win. Or ou may lose big time.

Longer term, Given that it is a throwaway idea with no value, the idea could potentially backfire. Google will likely just discount all such domains, which may cause a worse effect than the sandbox, like long term problems. I mean think about it, Google would be doing this for a reason, do you really think that they will let a simple solution like this slide through?

IMHO, if you truly believe that this is how the "sandbox" works, why not just launch the site anyway, and wait? Why not launch a holding page on your own, with just a brief description of what to expect? In both cases you wait, but in the solution you chose, you wait and you take a risk that may be more harmful than beneficial. having your own page with description is far less likely to cause long term damage.

[DigitalCamera]

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I would suggest that no site ranks at the top of the charts but certain things can be done to rank a site to the top , yes sir in DAYS. however its difficult and requires precise content hilltop rankings and a strong Upper Windows and shutters operation not to mention flaging the holes in the walls for mortar repair. I don't deny that brick and mortar companies start from scratch and build content slowly and gradually and links this way as well but their are other ways.

I think Slow gradually adding content and links is king yet, their are other methods to bypass any " Self Inflicted aging filter "

Edited by projectphp, 18 April 2005 - 02:19 AM.

[projectphp]

Hi DigitalCamera. Can you perhaps supply some evidence as to why you believe that the sandbox is a myth? I for one am happy to debate any new evidence that you may have on the subject.

As no two people seem to agree on this subject, can I just say that your statements that this is a "fact" is highly disputable, because a fact is usually irrefutable, which all the debate on sandbox is unconvincing. So some evidence to support your position would be excellent.

[Jill]

I for one would love to see evidence for any site in Google that is less than 6 months old and ranking well for a slightly competitive phrase.

I'm sure Scottie would also love to see one. So far, nobody has come up with any. Everytime someone says they have one, it turns out that the phrase is very UNcompetitive, or the domain is actually a subdomain of an older one.

Bring it on if you have some that refute the aging delay.

[keli]

The Google patent that was brought to everyones attention a few weeks ago sheds a lot of light on ranking consideration.

Does the site go up with a ton of new incoming links?

Has the domain been registered a long time? Did the contact info change recently?

Did the content recently undergo a major change (IE someone SEO'd an old existing site).

Did the number of pages in the site increase dramatically recently? (page bulk tactic)

Did keyword density drastically change?

There's a ton of these factors listed on the pattent if you want to wade through it:

http://appft1.uspto....&RS=20050071741


Keli

[ghergich]

word of caution - just because its in the patent does not mean they are using it. That patent was more of a brainstorming solution than anything.

DigitalCamera - if it was brought on by gathering links to fast then how come i have been using subdomains off old domains and piling tons of links on them right off the bat and they rank? Wouldn't i trip the filter, i believe that if your domain is not over a certain age it discounts you heavily as an unreliable source.

A long time ago i was on here complaining about the sandbox and seemed to be the only one of a few who even believed it to be true. I decided to stop complaining and just game it...which i have done. Now im on to new stuff and others have mentioned the subs so i will now as well.

[Michael Martinez]

Its not a theory its fact.

I haven't seen anyone produce conclusive evidence that it's a fact. I would be happy to look over whatever anyone thinks IS conclusive evidence. Then, at least, I would know what the score is.

[exposure]

If you think like your livelihood depends on producing SERPs that are the most relevant so that you gain the biggest following among the SE's out there, the aging filter makes some sense. It's a way - admittedly a sloppy one - to weed out those who are just in it to spam the index and gain quick results at the cost of mucking up the SERPs.

Almost every action G takes can be rationalized as long as you think like you run the show there, as opposed to thinking like one of us.