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Us Vs Rest Of The World Spelling
Posted 15 April 2005 - 05:34 AM
Posted 15 April 2005 - 07:09 AM
Pretty much any English word with a gh (laughter, daughter) is from German (or at least has the same root as German), any word with a ph is from Greek, and LOTS of words are from Latin and its children, Italian, French, Portuguese and Spanish.
But yes, that is all old stuff. Now, it goes the other way, with English words sneaking into other languages, which is why the French have to come up with words to replace English ones: "fin de semaine" to replace "le weekend," or "courriel" to replace "email".
Posted 15 April 2005 - 07:53 AM
Ain't languages great
Mind the french bit reminds me something your prez said about the french not having a word for entrepreneur... he was kinda right because the meaning is slightly different but it brought a smile to face.
A living language is always hungry for new words...
Posted 16 April 2005 - 05:43 AM
Sorry Mr. Q, that's only in Québec. You say courriel to a Frenchman (from France I mean) and they will giggle and think you quaint. And weekend is now the correct way, replacing a perfectly good "fin de semaine".
BTW "english" spelling is also used in Canada so that may account for a few of those links to your site Jill. Not to mention all those canucks using their funny spelling on this very forum.
Posted 16 April 2005 - 06:52 AM
Not always the civil service tries to use the term as it is the official term set out by the academy of France, but most are lazy and use the english term for it...with an accent of course
Posted 16 April 2005 - 11:43 AM
In that context, I would generally say that authors should generally write in their own context or perhaps to the client’s context if you are writing for an out of country client. To me, it's no different than trying to change your accent when talking to someone else. And just like an American who tries to don a British accent or an Australian who is trying to sound Texan, you can tell the difference. No matter how well you do, you will come across a word that will trip you up and it may make your audience raise an eyebrow.
Just like the accent, the spellings are often a giveaway and can give more a context to the reader of where the writer is coming from. In many instances, it is helpful to understand the perspective of the writer. If they therefore, offer a great understanding or context in which the page is to be read, a different spelling can actually add value to the page.
As for the overt gestures to other audiences, it can also come across as being too PC, patronizing, or like you think your reader is too dumb to understand that color and colour are the same thing.
From a practical standpoint, if the reader is too dumb to understand and/or appreciate that there are cultural language differences, then they probably aren’t smart enough to realize the spelling difference either. Whether it’s a Brit, an Aussie, or a Yank, if they are offended by a spelling that is different from their own, and wouldn’t do business with you for that reason, that sounds like a personal issue, and one that you simply aren’t going to overcome.
If Queen’s English speaking Brits are offended by American spellings, I cannot imagine how those would respond to a bit of London Cockney speak. I put them in the same category as a Californian who calls a customer in Atlanta GA, and is offended by the speaker’s drawl. It is only another example that ignorance can be found in every corner of the globe, and it often manifests itself as a self-congratulatory superiority complex.
Bottom line, if you try to NOT offend everyone, you are probably annoying a lot more in doing so.
Posted 18 April 2005 - 04:50 AM
I think it's rather arrogant to assume you can distort a language and then expect the original developers of the language to accept the changes.
However, when visiting an American site I would expect it to be in 'American English.'
Edited by thx1138, 18 April 2005 - 04:59 AM.
Posted 18 April 2005 - 08:33 AM
Cymru am byth!! y ddraig goch!!
Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:41 PM
10% Upper Midwestern
I guess in my area, this means about 5% Slang.
My Inner European shows Russian?
Mysterious and exotic.
You've got a great balance of danger and allure. Ooooh....
Posted 22 August 2005 - 01:01 AM
65% General American English
5% Upper Midwestern
Funny, you can live almost as far south as is possible in the US, but still have upper midwestern and yankee in your vocabulary. I'm shocked!
We have the southern states, and then the "deep south" which is totally different. The deep south is Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina but the actual southern states like Texas are actually much further south in reality.
Guess Texas is so big it would be included in a few areas, we have deserts, places where it snows and beach towns as well. I'll take a place on the water any time!
Posted 22 August 2005 - 02:54 AM
Google uses answers.com for definitions which also uses Americanized spellings.
If you do a semantic search for optimization on google you get these variations; analysis, optimizing, optimization, placement, submission, statistics, optimize, job, recruitment, submit, registration, submissions and promotion.
If you do a semantic search for optimisation all you will get back is optimisation.
This is because the stem of optimization is optim which precedes the usage of the z or s.
On the other hand using colour or color will not prompt Goole to prompt you with a ‘did you mean’ option. This is because Color stems to Color and Colour stems to colour.
A semantic search for color will return coloring, color, colors, activities, paint and codes.
A semantic search for colour will return paint, color, colors, paints, paintings, draw, coloring and codes.
Some slight differences, but both words are treated more or less the same.
This adds another layer to keyword research and content writing for UK, Australian and Canadian based companies.
Obviously Google’s semantics are based on word usage throughout the documents contained their index and has no bearing on real semantics, although it is very close on many occasions.
Edited by Peter Hoggan, 22 August 2005 - 03:38 AM.
Posted 23 August 2005 - 12:45 PM
For example, one client wants to throw in a few discreet uses of "artic" - a common misspelling of arctic - but would most people who put artic in google, click the link to did you mean arctic?
Of course, the search numbers wouldn't take this into account.
Does anyone know about this?
Posted 23 August 2005 - 02:28 PM
Some words like centre and center, color and colour have both the UK and US English versions included in answers.com and therefore there is a definition for these words. Which may be why you wont see the did you mean option regardless which spelling of these words you chooseMy first thought was that these words returned results from a semantic search was down to stemming, I have now rethought this and I have a suspicion that this has more to do with a dictionary rather than stemming.
That has implications for UK spellings like optimisation that have no definition and return no results from a semantic search.
Edited by Peter Hoggan, 23 August 2005 - 07:05 PM.
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