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[Neil F]

Everyone,

My site is finally showing up fairly well in Google. Those of you who have noticed my posts over the last many months know that I was extremely frustrated by my exclusion from Google.

This week I have finally been allowed to play...my site has been up for about 8 months and I have a PR of 5. I was getting respectable scores in MSN and Yahoo for "Custom Dress Shirts" (top 5) but I was about 270 in Google. I have not changed anything on my site for a few weeks.

I noticed late last week my traffic from Google was up 50% (I use adwords), I thought it was a mistake because I had long ago given up on Google. I noticed tonight that I am number 10 now in Google for Custom Dress Shirts and that other pages are scoring well for good keywords.

I wanted to post this so that those of you suffering out there waiting know that at some point your site will actually show up in the rankings. I followed all the advice on this site and built my site okay...but in the end I just had to wait it out...

[Jill]

Good news, Neil!

You may not want to broadcast publicly the phrases you rank highly with, however.

[Sharesoftdownload]

Glad to hear it Neil,

I know how you feel. My main site, live since March 2004 finally got "old" enough by Google's standards earlier this week. Went from not in the top 1000 to 19th and today 16th for my chosen keyphrase. (15 mil results). Perfect example for those that do not believe the "aging" penalty in Google as I haven't added significantly to my IBL's and somehow it magically appeared in the top 20. Now I can finally tweak my SEO and be able to see the results

[Irony]

Should we assume that the right figure is 10 to 11 months then?

Oh!

[Jill]

Irony, I think the time frame depends. It seems that it could be anywhere from 6 - 12 months. Google apparently released all those in that time frame at once this time around. If you are newer than that, you may have a very long wait for the next mass release.

[Irony]

Thanks Jill

Ok, doesn't matter After all, nobody knows when the "next mass release" is going to happen.

[torka]

...or even if there will be one.

One apparent "mass release" does not a trend make.

I'm thinking it's equally possible that they were simply sitting on all these newer sites until they got some issues worked out with algo updates or made some decisions on how/if/how long they want the aging delay to work. Perhaps going forward we'll see sites move out from under the aging delay more smoothly.

But, either way, only time will tell. Which is why patience is such a virtue in this field.

--Torka

[arlen]

Congrats Neil!

Even though I'm still waiting, it sure is comforting to see sites move up so rapidly once a release actually happens ... hope they do another soon!

[Jill]

Perhaps going forward we'll see sites move out from under the aging delay more smoothly.

That would be nice!

I agree with Torka that we really can't judge what will happen in the future. This latest mass release seemed to be a new thing, and also had other factors involved, such as sites that were previously missing after "Gladys" finally coming back.

Google does like to keep us guessing, that's about the only thing we can be sure of!

[Irony]

Congrats Neil!
It's really great!

I'm thinking it's equally possible that they were simply sitting on all these newer sites until they got some issues worked out with algo updates or made some decisions on how/if/how long they want the aging delay to work. Perhaps going forward we'll see sites move out from under the aging delay more smoothly.

it's very reasonable, and I hope it will be like this - but when did Google behave reasonably last time?

Which is why patience is such a virtue in this field.

Yeah... I think I'll tell a short story here, as it fits.

A friend of mine has his site released from aging delay now, after 10 months of waiting. #1 for on of his main terms and in the top 10 for another one. Very happy of course.

But about a month ago he thought it would never happen and wrote to me via ICQ asking me to persuade him not to resort to black methods. He was actually going to create doorways hoping it would help his rankings.

It was not an easy task, but I finally succeeded. "Patience, patience, patience" didn't work, so I said: "Google introduced aging delay to stop spammers. If you and others resort to spam, you will add to the evil, and Google will have to strike back. The result will be a longer aging delay".

Now he says "Thank you" every second day.

[randfish]

My site too has been 'released' in Google. I've always made my site and terms public, but I can certainly think of reasons to keep them under wraps.

My best guess is that this release has something to do with preventing press to come out about Google not ranking websites for their company name. If a major writer from the AP, New York Times, etc. were to pick up a story on it, it could cost Google significant share price, as stock owners would see it as an exploitable weakness for MSN/Yahoo! to exploit.

I usually don't think [url=http://searchengineland.com/070621-145956.php]Keep the Faith When the Algo Changes[/url] have much to do with Google's stock and business issues, but this one was a very obvious example of an issue that could have been very detrimental.

Ii'm still forming my theories about what in the algo could have caused this 'releasing' for many and 'sandboxing' for several others.

[JohnHammer]

Congrats Neil.

I'm stuck in this delay or whatever it is. I've got three new websites in the last 2 months, and the G bot comes, looks at the robtots.txt, checks the main homepage then off it goes somewhere else.

The sites are just content and have a few IBL's to them. I thought I was going crazy last month about why the bot wouldn't go further than the homepage. Then started reading here and elsewhere about this delay concept.

To be honest, it's a bunch of crap, imho.

G is setting itself up for a slide and a broadside or frontal attack by Y and MSN search with these antics.

These sites of mine are pure whitehat, on topic, in niche markets and are relevant to certain keywords.

If G thinks this will drive users to Adwords, they're wrong.

There are a million other marketing methods and even AskJeeves is now more relevant than G SERPS.

What a shame.

Just goes to show that when the small get mighty, they get caught up in shareholder concerns (need constant rev growth) and with their own importance, among dozens of other distractions to keep Wall St. happy.

I think this delay process will only serve to turn our attention to MSN and Yahoo to work with and try to make happy. Just my opinion.

JH

[Randy]

Welcome JohnHammer !

[sweepthelegnate]

well, whatever it is and whatever you want to call it. It at least makes things interesting. Everything needs a good shake-up every once in a while.

[Jill]

Welcome John!

The sites are just content and have a few IBL's to them. I thought I was going crazy last month about why the bot wouldn't go further than the homepage. Then started reading here and elsewhere about this delay concept.

This would be something different than the aging delay. Sounds like you're not getting indexed at all. In the aging delay, you're indexed, but simply not ranking well for anything but highly specific phrases.

You may or may not have other issues.