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Can't Beat 1 Single Page
Posted 25 November 2004 - 08:11 PM
I have added lots of resources and optimized my pages, domain name and file names (possibly over optimized now as things have changed since I put it all together).
Anyway, I cannot get into Google at all (although my site is in its' index, but I've never found any of the pages).
The results listed in the SERP's for the primary keyword I optimized for is held by a single page article on this guy from another web site.
The page has a page rank of 4 (should I be paying attention to page rank anymore? Is it still valid?) but according to Google it has no backward links (does this mean the same as pages linking to it?).
The only thing I can think of that makes this single page more important to Google than my site is the fact it has been online for about 2 years, whereas my site has been online for 1.
This page comes up #1 for the primary keyword in all of the big SE's.
If anyone can suggest a few reasons why this may be so and how I may be able to get onto at least 1 of the first 4 pages of Google, it would be very much appreciated.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 09:07 PM
The site your are refering to that has no ranking may be over optimized.
How old is the site? it may just be a matter of time.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 01:10 AM
It's not really a site. It's just a single page within a subdirectory of a site, eg:
I did a bit more homework. It appears that the subdirectory has a PR of 6 and has about 600 backward links. So I guess this is where the page gets its 'power' from.
But the page itself has no PR and no links!
It is this single page that out ranks not just my site but every other site and page as well.
I've just been thinking. It must be the links that Google takes into consideration (among other things) when trying to determine how valuable a site is to its' searchers.
My site has 0 backward links, but would easily have the most original content and resources out of any site that I have found on the Internet about this guy. I don't have lots of pages, but I sure have a lot more than 1.
Google is a bit hypocritical. Everyone says Google wants to provide its users with the most and best content it can find, but my site doesn't come within a bulls roar because it has no back links.
It's funny because Google says it wants to find, organise and present as much info as it can get and present it to the world, but it seems that if you don't build your site the Google way, your content will never be shown.
I guess this is the best they can do with electronics and software.
Is there a way Google can be contacted to ask why a site is not listed? And if so, is it worth trying?
P.S. I'm not anti Google. If that's the way things are, that's the way things are.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 01:50 AM
siringo, sweetie, this is the explanation for your woes - google will not list you without backlinks.
Can I suggest you jump into a few of the directories and ask for a link to your site in an appropriate category?
You'll need a lot of links to beat that single page, but, yes, you wont even get listed until someone links to you.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 02:11 AM
Is that a hard and fast rule. I thought it was just a big help?
Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:12 AM
Links are the glue that hold the Internet together. Back before I knew what PR or link popularity was, I knew that I had to get links to my site so that it would be able to be found... by anyone! Without a link somewhere, how will anyone (including search engines) find it? Submitting is ignored because it is a tool for spammers. It just makes sense that there needs to be "anchors" or links to you site from other sites in order for it to be a part of the Web- without it, it's just floating out there on it's own.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 09:42 AM
Posted 26 November 2004 - 05:42 PM
'Is that a hard and fast rule.'? For Google, yes - no links, no listing.
Yes, a 'back link' is a link to your site that is listed in the engine.
Only the briefest of attention; Google has recently done a page rank update, but who knows when they will do another one.
Look at is as vaguely interesting, along with a host of other factors.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 07:13 PM
With regards to links, I am a total convert. I am building, not a web site, a web business (I prefer to call it that) and I am planning on getting up to 1000 back links to it (i'm giving myself an open timeline for this but would like to achieve it within 12 months. I'm calling it my 'PicoNet').
I never realised that Google did require a site to have back links, as I said I thought it was just a help. So thanks, I've learnt something.
I've been battling this SEO stuff on my own for about the past 12 months and never posted to these or any forums coz I thought my questions were a bit dumb.
But you all have been very helpful and couteous.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 09:07 PM
Here the old axiom that the the only "dumb" question is that left unasked is really true. So by all means keep reading and asking when something just doesn't make sense or it's a question nobody else has asked yet.
We all have different styles in asking and answering, but you can rest assured that someone will figure out how to answer it in a way that provides one of those Lightbulb moments.
Posted 28 November 2004 - 10:52 PM
Just to clarify here because you may be confused...
Yes, your site has to have other sites linking to it in order to be listed and stay listed in Google.
However, what Google shows in a backwards link command is fairly meaningless. Just because G shows 0 backward links to a page doesn't mean it really has 0 backward links.
You do need to get links to your site, but you don't need Google to show them, because it won't always do that. As long as Google has the page in its database that your link is on, then you're good to go.
Hope this helps!
Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:12 AM
Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:35 AM
But be careful to make certain they are GOOD links. Technically, PR doesn't care where a link comes from, but in practice you want links coming from related, non-spammy domains.
Don't fall for the old "We'll list you in 15,000 directories, guestbooks and FFA's for $10" routine. It's more likly to hurt than help. Honestly.
My suggestion would be to go here:
And life (and linking) will become much better and more clear to you
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