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Posted 03 November 2003 - 02:12 PM
I'm not sure if you understood what I meant to say, or maybe I was just too cryptic in my post.
I never mentioned tweaking a site for the engines, only for the visitors, in order to increase conversions and create a better user experience. How is that against ethical guidelines?
I also mentioned that I do track spiders, especially for new client sites, but mostly out of needless fascination. It does help to see if there is anything being spidered that shouldn't, but Xenu will do that too, and in a lot less time. So, I'm not sure why you were directing your post at me in disagreement.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 03:12 PM
You shouldn't be tweaking the site for the engines, beyond the simple (dare I say ethical) coding guidelines.
but I should have said
I agree that You shouldn't be tweaking the site for the engines, beyond the simple (dare I say ethical) coding guidelines.
I did not mean to imply that anyone here would be unethical. In the process of searching for a script to do what Botspotter does and failing I found endless cloaking engines to detect a bot and serve different content - which I class as unethical.
I did however want to clarify that tweaking may necessary and I can point you to numerous sites which look great but don't rank.
Example www.wt.co.nz/index.cfm?snid=18&pgid=15 (a friends site, not mine and one way off topic).
If you search on the book's name it comes up at #1 but if I search for property tax nz which would be more normal then the book doesn't rate at all. This page requires tweaking for the engines. Then there's all those great key words which are only on the graphic.
Sorry for any offense
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Edited by Jill, 03 November 2003 - 08:19 PM.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:19 PM
"Let me 'splain. No, let me some up."
I'm not following you on that. Why would you tweak your site for spiders?
I need not to "tweak" for spiders but need to spy on them to see where they are and are not going. I am hoping to find what is preventing them from getting to certain pages My logs show me the pages are not being visited at all and I've already run the gamut of robots.txt, broken links and .htaccess. All are in order. So, if I can follow where they go I might be able to piece together where the problem is and fix it. If the spiders are visiting these pages and the pages are still not showing up on the engines then I'll know I need to "tweak" the pages for the appropriate customers. So any fine tuning or "tweaking" I'll do is for humans and :alien:s not really for a
You don't know how hard it is to put what I mean into words <_<
Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:42 PM
Posted 03 November 2003 - 08:42 PM
I'd really, really like to help you with this as a personal project. Please send me a PM if you'd like me to work with you.
Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:27 AM
I also forgot that we spider the site weekly for the site search function. I never even thought that the specific product pages were not even getting done. Imagine when the site got finnished and someone did a search for a product, and nothing came up.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 11:07 AM
Related to tracking the spiders, I use FastStats Analyzer, which as I recall isn't very expensive (nothing I have is, cuz I'm cheap ). It's by Mach5. (Disclaimer: I am an affiliate, but that's not an affiliate link.)
It has filter settings, which you can set to either include or exclude. I can run reports showing all activity (no filters), just humans (exclude filter on spiders) or spiders only (include filter on spiders). The only thing I don't know is how the filter determines what is (and what is not) a spider. But it at least includes all the majors and for my purposes seems to work well. HTH!
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