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[powerofeyes]

you believe that another site is abusing Google's quality guidelines, please report that site at spam report. Google prefers developing scalable and automated solutions to problems, so we attempt to minimize hand-to-hand spam fighting. The spam reports we receive are used to create scalable algorithms that recognize and block future spam attempts.

Does google takes spam reports seriously or just keeps them for research. I prefer google to take some action on spamming sites. i made couple of complaints about spamming sites in google but none of them are penalised,
I would like google to take off the spam report page if they do it only for research. As a search engine user i need good searching experience and i am not worried about what google researches. Am I right or wrong comment on this,
thanks,
VIJAY

[Jill]

I would guess that a good percentage of sites reported to Google as "spam" are actually not spam, but are simply disgruntled competitors who don't like that someone else's site is beating theirs.

Aside from those, which Google would simply ignore, the rest of them they use to try to incorporate new spam-fighting measures into their algorithms. They rarely just delete a site because someone reported it. It would have to be blatantly misleading, or something like that.

Jill

[powerofeyes]

Hello Jill,
I appreciate your words that google doesnt ban sites but just see this pages. i know i cant give examples but ill delete it after you see it,
(virginia living network)
(keyword shoring boxes)
see these results if you were a visitor and searches for relevant information will you appreciate these results. Tell me what these pages tells you about a site. Dont you think google should remove these pages. i have 100's of examples like this. Being a world no 1 searchengine why cant they write a good algorithm for this or atleast they can take or complaints both are not working,
thanks,
VIJAY.

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Edited by Jill, 29 September 2003 - 08:14 AM.

[powerofeyes]

I would guess that a good percentage of sites reported to Google as "spam" are actually not spam, but are simply disgruntled competitors who don't like that someone else's site is beating theirs.

Iwont accept this at all since they are pure spammers it is an SEO company doing this for a very long time. I dont want to reveal that company name but still I consider them spammers not competitors,

VIJAY

[Scottie]

VIJAY-

I don't think Jill was talking specifically to you with that comment- it's simply a fact of the business that a lot of "spam submissions" are people trying to remove competitor sites.

I do think the vast majority of spam submissions are studied and used to help improve the algo as opposed to being manually removed.

[powerofeyes]

Hello Scottie,
Thanks for your reply. I want to make Jill clear that i am not a competitor in any way. It is just one of the things i want my favourite search engine to be clear off. I have similiar pages in different catagories I got it all through the search research i made through google. Its just a feeling and concern about google,
that's all,
VIJAY

[Jill]

Vijay, those pages will not be removed from Google. Anyone could easily optimize their own site to compete on those phrases that are not highly competitive. Instead of worrying about what the other sites are doing, simply optimize your own pages to be the best they can be and you'll get the other guys knocked down because of it.

So much wasted time worrying about other people's spam. That's not an SEOs job. It's Google's job. All that time finding what you think are spam pages could be better spent optimizing your own sites.

Jill

[dragonlady7]

I see people complain about Google's spam reports all the time. Nowhere does Google say, "just point the spam out for us and we'll delete it right away"-- that's not the point. Their results are still pretty darn good for most searches, if you ask regular search engine users who don't know anything about "search engine spam". Why? Because they're not relying on going through the entire index by hand and removing sites one by one when they get complaints about them.
Sure they want to know about spam, but the whole point of Google is not doing things by hand. Directories do things by hand. Search engines don't. Google has a Directory that's edited by hand. Google's index is not except in really bad cases-- when they're threatened with legal action if they don't ban a site, for example. (The hate speech case, the scientology case, etc.)
So they use those reports to improve their algorithms. They don't owe it to you to remove the site that offends you personally, immediately. They owe you nothing. If you think the spam report is a waste of your time, don't use it. If you're not interested in helping them improve their algorithms by research, then don't use it. Your time is valuable so surely you have something better to do with it. It doesn't matter if you're a competitor or not. Either way, Google owes you nothing and they handle the spam report as they handle it. I think evidence is pretty clear that the spam report's function is not to help Google hand-edit their index, so if that's what you want you're using the wrong search engine and should really stick to the directories.

[powerofeyes]

Hello dragonlady,
I dont know how clear you are.
Please read this what google has to say. Here they never say anything about hand editing they surely say they will take action that is what my question is.

If your Google search returns a result that you suspect is spam, please let us know using this form. We investigate each report of deceptive practices thoroughly and take appropriate action when abuse is uncovered. At minimum, we will use the data from each spam report to improve our site ranking and filtering algorithms. The result of this should be visible over time as the quality of our searches gets even better. In especially egregious cases, we will remove spammers from our index immediately, so they do not show up in search results at all. Other steps will be taken as necessary.

What do you say about this.
And google results are my business. I am an SEO who googlize all my clients pages and i have all the rights to comment on google. And you say I dont have anyother work, you are right my work is SEO and research on google and you guessed it right
Waiting for your reply,
VIJAY

[SearchRank]

...google results are my business. I am an SEO who googlize all my clients pages and i have all the rights to comment on google. And you say I dont have anyother work, you are right my work is SEO and research on google and you guessed it right

I think anyone who is a SEO is optimizing with Google in mind but I would dare to say that the vast majority of SEOs do not spend so much time if any at all worrying about what others (spammers) are doing.

In one of VIJAY's post, Google is quoted as saying "At minimum, we will use the data from each spam report to improve our site ranking and filtering algorithms. The result of this should be visible over time as the quality of our searches gets even better."

Notice that they said they will use data to improve their algorithms and such and that such improvement would be evident over time. Thank God that they won't just remove sites on someone's email because I would suspect that the vast majority of spam reported is someone jealous of their competitor's success. Who is to define what spam is anyway except for the search engines that serve up the results. It's their search engine - let them decide what is spam and what is not.

[powerofeyes]

Hello Jill,
I wish to answer you too. I never think it is a waste of time for me. Infact it helps me a lot in the ongoing research on google. It makes me understand google better than ever when these kind of results appear and again SEO is my job and google is my money. i do have all the rights to research on google and get my solutions. if somebody can get these kind of pages rank in google then I can kind of predict how google PAGERANK works.

VIJAY

[Jill]

What do you say about this.

That's exactly what Dragonlady said.

Jill

[Jill]

if somebody can get these kind of pages rank in google then I can kind of predict how google PAGERANK works.

Vijay, Google PageRank is a whole other matter.

How sites rank in Google for their keyword phrases, is not what Google PageRank is all about.

There are many posts and references on the forum which speak to what Google PageRank is all about. You might want to read up on it a bit.

Jill

[powerofeyes]

Hello Jill,
Instead of wording PAGERANK can i word it as how google ranks a page. I have read enough articles about page rank and how it is calculated. According to me judging a page by title tag, meta tag and the body contents is also considered ranking a page.
may by I phrased it in the wrong way but I idea was to get my self clear how google ranks a page.
Thanks,
vijay.

[dragonlady7]

What I said is what Google said. They're not editing their index by hand unless it's something really bad. Otherwise, they're using their reports to aid their research.

So I don't understand what you're even asking. It seems to me you're asking "Why doesn't Google immediately delete sites that rank higher than I think they should?" which they say pretty clearly they don't. I don 't understand why you're spending so much time and effort puzzling through this.