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Posted 24 October 2004 - 11:26 PM
When a site submits to Site Match Xchange, what happens to the naturally crawled URLs? Do they stay in the database, or drop out?
My tests on this topic have been inconclusive and with MSN no longer including Trusted Feed data in their SERPs, this is somewhat of a concern. It some cases, it may mean improving Yahoo traffic but effecting MSN traffic.
Assumming URLs do drop out, does anyone know how long it takes to be reincluded/recrawled, or if craslws just top at that point? Also, does the geo-targetting make a difference to any of this? I have seen a site targetting one region with most URLs included in different country indices, but this may be a coincidence.
My research into this topic is pretty inconclusive, and any help greatly appreciated.
Posted 25 October 2004 - 06:21 AM
Posted 29 November 2004 - 06:25 AM
In SiteMatch, if you are geo-targeting, the naturally crawled URLs are/should still be active in the other non targeted regions.
This part I myself did some research on to find out if that was the case and all tests seemed to agree with the above.
It would also then follow that the naturally crawled URL will be in the MSN index for all regions, if it was present in other regions not covered by SiteMatch.
Posted 29 November 2004 - 09:19 AM
Posted 30 November 2004 - 01:00 AM
Also being in SMX does not stop the site from being crawled naturally (unless it has been black listed for spam etc...
- not all yahoo/inktomi powered engines, such as MSN, display all the results in the feeds they have access to, as they apply many layers and filters based on their own algos etc..
Hence why some URLs never show up in MSN. This was the case even when MSN were taking PFI URLs, there were always a few that were not being indexed by MSN... this was very frustrating at the time...
So to make sure if indexed naturally by yahoo, suspend the SMX feed, or part of the feed, within 2 days the SMX feed should be out, this is when you check if the natural URLs are indexed as the natural URLs should be displayed as soon as the SMX are out.
You can check by the click path to see if they are SMX based or natural... if not sure, look for the letters "MI=ic" in the URL path in yahoo SERPS, this signifies that the URL is from SMX.
see this SERP:
and look at the listing: Hotels.com - Save up to 70% on Rooms
Posted 30 November 2004 - 09:50 PM
With one of my clients that uses trusted feed, pretty much as soon as MSN dropped the PFI data, their pages have been steadily dropping out of the index altogether. It's pretty frustrating to say the least. Was hoping they'd go live with their own engine by now!
Posted 02 December 2004 - 05:23 PM
Since they extended their contract with yahoo till next min 2006 this is not looking likely to be anytime soon
Posted 03 December 2004 - 06:14 AM
The contract extension is for Overute PPC results on MSN, not natural listings.
MSN (natural) search is schedulded for a Q1 2005 launch (some press releases suggested it will go live before the 25th of this month, we shall see).
Some users have reported seeing MSN's own search engine up on the MSN US homepage in the last few days; they seem to be testing it and asking users for feedback. Deleting MSN cookies may trigger access to this, according to some reports.
Source: Threadwatch - MSN Beta Moving to MSN Main Site? [http://www.threadwatch.org/node/607]
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