Jump to content

  • Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In   
  • Create Account

Subscribe to HRA Now!

 



Are you a Google Analytics enthusiast?

Share and download Custom Google Analytics Reports, dashboards and advanced segments--for FREE! 

 



 

 www.CustomReportSharing.com 

From the folks who brought you High Rankings!


Sponsored Content

 

 
 

Photo
- - - - -

Is All Seo Spam


  • Please log in to reply
131 replies to this topic

#121 BrianR

BrianR

    Is it just me, or is it getting cooler in the evenings...?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,621 posts
  • Location:Chester, UK

Posted 05 October 2003 - 05:48 PM

One website in the client's top 10 has very comprehensive content - it's head and shoulders above any other site in the category. But, because of the way it is designed, it doesn't appear anywhere near the top of the SERPS; in fact, only a handful of its many pages are even listed, let alone ranked!



Alan

The above quote is from my original post about this site. Perhaps my post wasn't as lucid as it might have been, but I agree that the site architecture (I called it: 'the way the site is designed') is dreadful - that's exactly my point.

In fact, it is so dreadful that it hides the textual content which is probably the most comprehensive and relevant textual content in the category - ie. relevant to the audience it was supposed to reach and not the public at large.

Hence, I argued, it would take an SEO who knows a thing or two about both spiders and usability to release that great content to both SEs and users.

I agree that, in its present state, it doesn't deserve to be ranked, but if it was re-engineered to present the current textual content properly, then it would be worthy of very good rankings.

BTW, I've re-read your RedPlanet analogy a couple of times and, maybe because it's late or because I'm thick, or both, I'm afraid I can't understand it. Perhaps someone could enlighten me??

BrianR

#122 Alan Perkins

Alan Perkins

    Token male admin

  • Admin
  • 1,559 posts
  • Location:UK

Posted 05 October 2003 - 06:04 PM

Hence, I argued, it would take an SEO who knows a thing or two about both spiders and usability to release that great content to both SEs and users.

Can we agree that usability is not the exclusive preserve of SEOs?

Spider issues, OTOH, are the kind of things that SEOs have to deal with. But even spidering issues are mostly things that should be addressed as part of good Web design, e.g. don't use session IDs in URLs that you expect external sites to link to.

The point of the RedPlanet analogy is that you shouldn't need to know a search engine exists in order to create a Web site that is well indexed and well ranked by that search engine, and appreciated by searchers using that search engine. As long as you create a good Web site designed for a particular target audience (i.e. "market"), a good search engine that is designed for the same target audience will be able to index and rank it.

#123 BrianR

BrianR

    Is it just me, or is it getting cooler in the evenings...?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,621 posts
  • Location:Chester, UK

Posted 05 October 2003 - 06:19 PM

Can we agree that usability is not the exclusive preserve of SEOs?



Sure we can. If usability is anyone's exclusive preserve, then I guess Jakob and his colleagues will lay claim to that.

However, IMO, an SEO who was not conversant with general usability issues would not be able to serve their client fully.

BrianR

#124 Scottie

Scottie

    Psycho Mom

  • Admin
  • 6,294 posts
  • Location:Columbia, SC

Posted 05 October 2003 - 07:07 PM

My argument to that point is that SEO without usability and marketing analysis is a very bad thing. Why?

You can drive traffic to a site all day long; tons and tons of traffic based on highly-searched terms. And a good SEO can pull it off using on-page and off-page factors to the best of their ability.

But if the site is not easily navigable or understood... if the user doesn't know what is expected of him/her, can't find the info they want, get lost trying to check out... what good is all that traffic?

You've wasted the client's money (bandwidth and fees), wasted the time of the searcher, and convinced the client that SEO is a big joke because they got tons of traffic but no sales.

How is that a good thing?

Not every SEO needs to know usability, but every SEO ought to know and work with a usability analyst on a regular basis.

Although... if you can learn SEO you can learn usability. You don't even need to know how to think like an average searcher- you just need to be a good observer who can get their hands on a few real searchers. They will tell you what's wrong.

My :cheers:

#125 Alan Perkins

Alan Perkins

    Token male admin

  • Admin
  • 1,559 posts
  • Location:UK

Posted 05 October 2003 - 07:15 PM

That isn't what I was saying.

The thread asks the question "Is all SEO spam?". To answer that you need to know what SEO is and what spam is. Is Usability part of SEO? If so, then clearly not all SEO is spam.

#126 BrianR

BrianR

    Is it just me, or is it getting cooler in the evenings...?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,621 posts
  • Location:Chester, UK

Posted 05 October 2003 - 08:33 PM

Y'all might be interested to know that I've opened up a new topic here: http://www.highranki...wtopic=1190&hl= entitled 'What is an SEO exactly? And how far does their skill base extend?'

BrianR

#127 peter_d

peter_d

    HR 5

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 09 October 2003 - 05:19 PM

On the topic of displaying the results the searcher wants, rather than displaying the results a SEO/Pr person/Whatever-the-latest-snow-job-term-is-for-someone-who-gets-top-ten-rankings-this-week wants you to see...

http://insight.zdnet...39117036,00.htm

"The primary mission of Google is to get you what you want, rather than what someone thinks you want," Schmidt said.

#128 Alan Perkins

Alan Perkins

    Token male admin

  • Admin
  • 1,559 posts
  • Location:UK

Posted 09 October 2003 - 05:31 PM

If you liked that article, you might enjoy this, Peter. :drunk:

#129 peter_d

peter_d

    HR 5

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 09 October 2003 - 07:54 PM

I seldomly enjoy PR puff, Alan :drunk:

Prefer getting to the heart of the matter.

#130 projectphp

projectphp

    Lost in Translation

  • Moderator
  • 2,203 posts
  • Location:Sydney Australia

Posted 09 October 2003 - 09:01 PM

I seldomly enjoy PR puff, Alan

And just when I thought you two were about to start agreeing!!! I am glad that didn't happen. I love seeing you two go head to head. That thread is an awesome example, IMHO, of two excellent debaters / posters in full flight. For a second there, I thought maybe those days were over!

#131 Jill

Jill

    High Rankings Advisor

  • Admin
  • 32,325 posts

Posted 09 October 2003 - 09:36 PM

That article from Google is great! Shows exactly why Google totally ROCKS!

;)

J

#132 Alan Perkins

Alan Perkins

    Token male admin

  • Admin
  • 1,559 posts
  • Location:UK

Posted 10 October 2003 - 04:03 AM

I seldomly enjoy PR puff, Alan :)

That's what I thought. Hence my "If you liked that article..." ;)




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users