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Sandbox And Switching Domains
Posted 13 October 2004 - 07:02 AM
I've checked against loads of phrases and done all the inanchors, intitles, etc, so I'm 100% convined it's still in the sandbox.
But the majority of people seem to think sandbox lasts for 3 or 4 months max, so this got me thinking. The site went live 6 months ago, but we did a 301 redirect to a new domain about 3 months ago. So, was the sandbox timer re-started again from there ?
Anyone had any similar experiences ?
Posted 13 October 2004 - 08:04 AM
Posted 13 October 2004 - 08:10 AM
What makes you think you're in the sandbox as opposed to simply needed to optimize "better"?
Posted 13 October 2004 - 08:52 AM
The site is optimised well enough for me (Titles, meta descrips, keyword density, variations of phrase, H1s, and internal anchor text) and better optimised than the sites at the top of the SERPs for my target phrases. Also has better (and mostly more) inbound links than those top ranking sites.
I got most of the inbounds in a 3-4 week period.
Posted 13 October 2004 - 08:55 AM
You might want to look at other reasons for your site not doing so well.
Posted 13 October 2004 - 09:15 AM
But I am still optimistic that the sites will rank soon. In the meantime, I'm continuing with the link campaign. Just got another keyword rich anchor based reciprocal 10 minutes ago
Posted 13 October 2004 - 11:58 AM
I rarely doubt your site is in the lag period, if you are going for competitive phrases build a fee hundred unique site links and see what how your ranking improves,
Posted 13 October 2004 - 01:56 PM
powerofeyes google does value just a few highj quality links a great deal. I should know. I was overtaken by some big buck company who managed to get links in articles in the times, independent, and guardian (top brit papers) and overtook my 450 links (that aren't quite as good).
Posted 13 October 2004 - 03:10 PM
It would be great to know why google is handicapping some sites...
Posted 13 October 2004 - 06:21 PM
If so, you might do some research to find the hundreds of related phrases you could also be focusing on.
Google is a tough nut to crack these days. It's not sandboxing just because you're not ranking where you want to be! You need to branch out...
Posted 13 October 2004 - 07:47 PM
A site is a domain name AFA search engines are concerned. If the domain name changes, it is a new site, even with identical content and structure. Pick a domain and stick to it.
No offence, but the Sanbox's popularity is based, in part, on the easiness at which it can be blamed.
You say have a nine month old site, but are you 100% sure it is sandboxed? How do you know? Have you tried many SEO changes and nothing works? What changes do you propose making, and what have you made? Is this a competetive industry? Do you get a lot of traffic from Yahoo and MSN, or is it just good rankings for rubbish terms?
It seems to me, and I am not saying this is true in this instance, that many people blame the sandbox first, and look for other causes last. No one should be hasty in blaming the Sanbox, and even if it is real, then there are still ways to promote your business online while you wait for SEO to kick in. Patience has always been a virtue, and on Google now, probably more so than ever before.
So, stop worrying about some silly sandbox, and look to make some productive changes.
- Do traditional offline advertising aimed at your niche targetting online sales / enquiries, e.g. "Visit our site for XYZ special offers".
- Form partnmerships with related but non-competing businesses.
- Try a PPC campaign, and see what works and what doesn't, and feed that back into your SEO work.
- Promote, Brand Build, Create Awareness. If you have a tech savvy product, get out where tech savy people congregate, online or off, and become a known presence. Pull crazy stunts to get some free publicity. Write articles, network, get seen, offer comments in the press. This will, in time, lead to more links and improved SEO results, and in the meantime will help you wheather the storm.
Now don't get me wrong, SEO is great, but far too many people worry about SEO specific issues rather than looking to build their business through the best use of their time and resources. Remember: rankings and SEO aren't the goal, they are a tool designed to help you achieve your goals.
Edited by projectphp, 13 October 2004 - 11:26 PM.
Posted 13 October 2004 - 10:53 PM
You folks who are claiming sandbox:
If you do a site:mydomain.com or a allinurl:mydomain.com search in Google, what is the result of the search?
This will show you the pages that Google has cached from your domain.
Do you only see your homepage?
Do you get an error or "sorry not found"?
If you have pages that aren't cached, I doubt seriously that you're going to see any returns from any keywords on your uncached pages.
Edited by maleman, 13 October 2004 - 11:06 PM.
Posted 14 October 2004 - 03:03 AM
Here are the ones I use:
- The websites have a number of backlinks that should enable them to rank on the test queries.
- They have most of their pages indexed and in cache. Title and snippets appear normally (no url-only listing or supplemental results)
- Google indexes pages of the domain regularly. (I check it using daterange queries)
- The websites have a 4+ PR (which in most cases only appeared recently)
- The websites rank well on some allintitle: and allinanchor: queries, but very badly on regular queries
- They do not rank on their own name, even if it is the most used expression in their backlinks
- They do not rank on very specific queries, with very little competition
On one particular case, an allintitle:"expression" query made me realize that one of the pages I surveyed was the only one indexed in google to have the exact expression (two words, one of them being the company name) in its title. Yet the page ranked 76th on the query the last time I checked.
What exact methods do you use to determine your website is being sandboxed?
Posted 14 October 2004 - 04:39 AM
I can compare results using allintitle: and allinanchor: searches with my new sites and my old ones. The old ones appear in the top ten for the these searches and the normal searches where as my new sites appear between 160 and 200 for a normal search and in the top ten for an allintitle: or allinanchor: search.
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